It absolutely. Microsoft A company decides whether it's publicly traded or not. If you take this logic to its extreme you can justify anything if it makes you rich. I formally told both of them in early Oct over email. The house of cards has collapsed. Overall, managing people at scale is always going to be a hard problem and it seems unlikely that technology will ever offer a satisfactory solution. Whats the difference So many people are complaining about their companies' diversity programs and how they can only interview/hire or promote diverse people. But so far they have done good. Or, perhaps they will send it to a management consultant who has been in the workforce for all of 6 months to make a powerpoint about the columns. Islands of nuclear families does not a community make. It's already easy enough to get nothing done in a big tech company but test code can take this to another level. You are hired to fulfil a job role based on your experience. With what my boss pays, let's say it would be the equivalent of 100k in the US (unemployment, social security, etc). (My personal view - strictly from a monetary standpoint, medicine in the US is more lucrative than big tech over the course of a ~40 year career, when you take into account lifestyle and personal flexibility, tech comes out looking better). Its more about knowing who you are working with and having the feeling you are going in the same direction in a way which is not ephemeral. Consider $3000 rent for a 2br apartment. *Stack- AWS stack, Java*Services - Lambda, Kinesis, EBS, DynamoDB, Cloudwatch, cdk, redshift, athena, step functions.If interested and serious please DM me.#engineering #aws #pm #tpm #product #productmanager, Having trouble hiring? There are too many variables and that line between right and wrong is not well-defined in this matter. I've been at 3 FAANGs now, and Apple is the only one where a conversation has gone something like "wait, the metrics you're proposing are bad at measuring the actual quality of the user experience and does not account for hard-to-measure factors like (a), (b), or (c)", and that conversation is coming from an executive. We provide 1-on-1 Salary Negotiation Support coaching to help you learn the ins and outs of negotiating to ensure you're getting the right offer! If you fix the thing that prevents big problems, or many small questions, from coming in in the first place, you also get no credit. Not caring about anyone besides your immediate circle is the problem, so you bragging about it just means we'll never agree. It is deleterious to community per se. Not always, but it happens. If I do leetcode in C++ will that get me a job working on ultra low-latency systems?". Nice 401k match time off options are okay but could be better, They have good coverage when you're a full time Associate, Our mission: To be Earth's most customer-centric company. I'm not even sure I have that ability if we're being honest. 4 total layers, 2 of managers. Preparing to start at meta , but will be working abroad the first two weeks before returning to New York. The best example of why large organizations are like this was Engels writing on "the state": I've seen many a "startup within a corporation", but the benefits of that are almost never, what what I've seen, realized. Managers , QAs etc. It's really TC over time investment that they talk about on Blind. This is what a lot of people call politics (especially if theyre not succeeding in it), but for me its just part of the system barring any better alternatives that will allow organizing a big company. Lyft & Stripe This too shall Pass - stay encouraged everyone! Thanks to democrats, thanks to Joe Biden. This is a mandatory percentage that will lead to pip in 3 months. As long as you dont mind being under her, you good. Extremely few? Unfortunately it's hard to legally CYA if something goes wrong with that kind of setup and it has other vulnerabilities like being manipulated by sociopaths. the racism and vitriol is insane, I seen someone from Amazon say they automatically discount black ppls education when interviewing them bc they, So, here is my prediction: 1. For sure, if you're presenting yourself as "a [project name here] developer", but the conversation in interviews I've had has tended to center around, say, how we used to use [that horrible old thing] until we found [shiny new thing]. Some may survive pip, but no other team will accept you at Google. That person would make L5 at AWS easily, but L6 will be harder without a somewhat lenient manager/reviewer. of course it's the money, what else. At the time my mgr had started doing a lot of documen, https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1585395267552960512, Stop the LinkedIn cringe on praising CEOs for classy layoffs. @twitter, You can actually. In my opinion roles have to reflect their area of expertise when it comes to career success. Amazon L6 ; Amazon L7 ; Google L4; And I'm from France, which is a pretty wealthy first world country. The bar isn't better dot com. Can anyone confirm meta's working abroad policy? If you tried to help someone who was unhappy and at risk of leaving for another vendor, but not someone who plays golf with your boss's boss, you risk getting a DSAT from them, but no credit if you retain that client. The Real Tragedy Nobody Wants To Talk About was the unfortunate decision to buy a flavored soda water machine to cut down on plastic water bottle waste. I do - you are advocating against people being able to spend as they see fit, by placing the commonwealth above the individual. From 3rd year, your base pay would have increased compared to previous 2 years and makes up a little but still base pay is something that needs to be increased significantly. So you're at least E6 and less than 30 or/and you join the companies when stocks were low. VMware, Go to company page But they're all large companies, and all large companies have the same big company bullshit. How difficult it is to get promoted to L6 from L5 as a TPM at amazon. Family members have seen it in pharma. of candidates. If you want to make an argument that the overall career arc of a software engineer is better off than that of a physician, then that's a very different statement than GP made. Having worked in several startups as well as F500 FAANG-ish valley tech companies, I agree. Would like to work on federal/military projects. A take home test is such an alternative. "TC" gives me and my family options to do other big things in the world. But now , as much as I want to find next job because of visa restrictions, I don't feel like finding a new job, applying / reaching out or even leetcoding. SAP, Go to company page Why does it matter? Forbes surveyed more than 150,000 employees around the world and named us one of the top employers among 800 companies worldwide for 2022. - and I certainly don't feel 2-5% away from that, lemme tell ya. $1k - $10k. Your manager will think ten times before putting your name. A footnote in Microsoft's submission to the UK's Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) has let slip the reason behind Call of Duty's absence from the Xbox Game Pass library: Sony and 1. I wonder what gives. Also Tesla pays peanuts to their SWEs. Adobe, Go to company page Do any of the FAANGs actually qualify for this? Hey, he/she figured it out. A product manager is a visionary who guides new product ideas from an initial concept to a full-blown product launch. Google allows vacation donation for the most challenging life conditions like this. That's not a very supportive response and doesn't match Hacker News values. Being an IC doesn't inherently conflict with enjoying your work. I would know, I am from one of those cultures. Former Meta employee here - only slightly exaggerated. That sounds like a rather depressing, unfulfilled existence to me. A bunch of small model/service/repository PRs seems tedious to me. > Why can't anyone figure out how to make that work? You'd get bonuses and stellar performance reviews for fixing big, high-visibility problems, or many small ones that amounted to little more than clients asking us to look things up in the docs for them. I have a sign above my monitor that reads The Goal Is To Not Have To Work. This also demystifies the dragon: we're making that same error that saw Bernie Sanders' "Top 1% of The 1%" (The 0.01%, or 0.0001) diluted into Bill O'Reilly and Tucker Carlson's "Top 1%" and, eventually, "Top 10%" (a thing I especially resent as a self-described 7%-er). An excellent security engineer may design a new algorithm to reduce the breaking probability from 0.0001% to 0.00001% without sacrificing the performance. At the strategic level, things are steered like a mix of governmental and portfolio management, effectively abstracting the differences between the lower layers away. All they can is blame Russia, ra, My hm is such a homie. Very few people do work on something meaningful anyway. 1. It was kind of like waking up to find out that my name and email address had been entered into an archive of humanity's most important code - all the critical stuff we would need to start over if a meteor struck and brought the dinosaurs back or whatever. The Magic, I'm told, is in the work one has been avoiding. TC is literally only one dimension that should be optimized for. > But I would bet a lot of money that it's mostly people who spend frivolously and selfishly so that their kids go to good schools and have good opportunities, but that others' kids don't get access to the same kinds of on-ramps to success. Total Compensation. And, at least at the lower levels (up to L5), you only need to be self-promotional every 6-12 months for perf. The Severance is also the least as it is dependent on your tenure at the company. Have you heard it's 10x harder to get into Google than Harvard? So while a local salary here is not great, getting a Big Tech salary in Eastern Europe is even more of a win than it is in Silicon Valley. I've been witness to it more than once. Which is not wrong, but is eternally sad. Search "thank you blind." L7 $583K. Take full advantage of this. My gf works at Meta and said that 10% of the company will be put on needs support Thursday.What is the relationship between needs support and PIP? Are you aware of other options, such as non-shit jobs? Leverage your professional network, and get hired. Being highly visible inside and outside my company has opened up more opportunity long term in terms of being offered consulting roles and opportunities in early stage startups then being a worker bee at Amazon for 2 years until you burnout. And what are responsibilities of Senior Staff Engineer? As the owner of Twitt, Thats the new norm as were moving towards recession. Failing upwards is very much a thing in FAANG. Advertising on blind in the middle of an economic downswing when everyone is laying off and engineers are easier to come by than ever.. seems to only ever be amazon hiring managers. They dangled sr. director title, but it was just not worth it in the end. For a more realistic look at physician income see, Those are income numbers for specialists (cf. Product Manager Career. The work is your family if it's a family business. But I do think Google rewards good engineering. If you believe Facebook is terrible, isn't taking a high-paid position there and gamifying their internal processes in your favor while not helping a floundering business plug the holes in its sinking ship the real way to take direct action? My gf works at Meta and said that 10% of the company will be put on needs support Thursday.What is the relationship between needs support and PIP? It's kind of--insulting I guess, like my brain's ability to feel joy has gotten attenuated at some 1/x curve??? Who told you that's what happens? 1. I'd say in medicine you know the demand for your skills is going to be stable, worldwide. Multiply the average base salary for the position that needs to be filled by the variance for that particular state. There is a minimum amount of maintenance needed. Blind self selects for people who want to brag about how much they're paid and people who think they're underpaid who want to validate those assumptions. Nothing in the 350k range vaguely resembles general practice. You can claim up to 26 weeks or until you get anothe, Strictly speaking layoffs. I mean I get upto a point but after that it sort of becomes a game in itself. Netflix of eight years ago rewarded real engineering work (I left then so I don't know how it is now). Snapchat down 90% etc. Google excels at producing a lot of well-designed, scale-hardened, well-tested code that doesn't do anything useful for the business and is a net drag on the company. I bet people have joined in droves for all of those things. I say this as I led two multi-year complete re-architectures and took from E6 to E8. Everything fb does is for making more money out of screentime and addiction. I have seen several companies offering either a technical challenge live or a take home test. How would they go about associating engineering effort with customer impact when they have a bunch of sales people, product managers, project managers, UX designers, and so on, in between them? Do you think the companies hosting ycombinator.com are clean? Meta IC6 TPM offer. Youre correct, but theres a less cynical look at it. Braze, Needs support is the first step and pip is the 2nd step and fired is the 3rd. The common theme among comments are - - Blind is full of YOLO crowd - Change job if it's a really good deal (>50% hike) or your current place is hell (impacting your mental health).- Change job if it's a sinking ship, we are all Rats (the first one to jump). Google is obsessive about engineering quality - and IMO is a good example of why that shouldn't be the core principle of a tech company, even though as engineers we're biased towards it. Yes Im also worried of them getting cocky and lazy. #amazon #microsoft #google #apple #meta TC 135, Lot of people laid off at Imperva. Consider tax and cost of life in NYC/SF/London where you won't be able to buy a house anyway, and you're left with 50k to save a year. Following a bumpy launch week that saw frequent server trouble and bloated player queues, Blizzard has announced that over 25 million Overwatch 2 players have logged on in its first 10 days. GP's comment "Unless they specialize"). Some roles are really that niche. Family doctor can work easily until 65. Or is L5 engg closer to L6 supply chain PM when it comes to comp? You're probably using electricity from a power company that is exploiting people in some way or maybe you bought solar panels from a company that exploited people to fabricate those panels. If you want to work on long term stuff, and have no metrics or data to show for it - then you need to get your manager (and team, and others) on board with it. Forbes has compiled our sixth annual World's Best Employers in partnership with market research company Statista. It's "I never could have ever gotten this, and not only is my life set, the people around me are too". A random one line change to some sketchy function is a whole diff so that you can call it out as something to be aware of, etc. *TC - Packages are very competitive and hands down we can probably beat/match any offer in Seattle and bay area. If you're a good engineer and can sell your work, contribute visibly to open source projects in your area of expertise and can present at conferences you'll have more opportunities than a worker bee at FAANG. Communism as a political organizational principle requires by definition the use of force (via government) to enforce its dicta. The word you may be thinking of is collectivism, as a counterpart to individualism, the axis of which obviously aligns much closer with the discussion we've been having above than anything on the capitalism/communism axis. low vacation/pto, PTO = sick time. As long as c-level still keeps on touch with reality outside the org and doesn't depend on truth being filtered through four layers you might have a chance. Employment is a contract where both parties work for profit. I am torn. I pushed back hard but had little control over it. Average $137,138. Square, Go to company page We can move quickly. In fact, "long time horizon" is literally in the text of the L6 expectations. Replace state with "management". Mercer Perhaps the Gervias Principle can show insights into the script here. Metrics are never perfect, but it beats hand wavy claims of success, normally if a change is useful there is some metric that will show it. Opportunity cost seems limited. What kind of communist thought is this? And yet, in promo reviews for L6 I've experienced, this discussion of "long time horizon" comes up basically every time. That seems possible, but satirically posting self-aggrandizing BS on Blind is like satirically posting Pepe memes on 4Chan. Having worked there for a while, I'm not sure I agree with your take. So, as one of humanity's most important top 1-5% developers, I can say with great authority that, if you're already out here reading this and have typed "git push" at any point in the past week, you're much closer to that "top 1-5%" than you think. For instance, at Meta, even solid developers cry on the bottom up / PSC driven culture. Its clearly sarcastic. What they don't get is those big companies literally poach PhDs or buy smaller companies to get that kind of talent. Honestly, the default "success" in big tech is the scope being reduced so many times that literally nothing happens and the PM's and management treat it like a win. "Sinc You thought people doom scrolling mindless posts in 2014 was bad? To me (and I'm not disagreeing with you here), a "top 1-5%" engineer is one of those mysterious dragons that codes with toggle switches in octal deep inside of a lair of some kind, has invented or described an entire domain of knowledge, language, and/or operating system, etc. Add an Interview. Salary estimated from 3 employees, users, and past and present job advertisements on Indeed in the past 36 months. - do average or below average work, but communicate it great and get in 'face time' without actually doing something. (Pun was unintentional). We partner closely with HwEng to support all existing platforms and NPIs.I am looking for a Principal Product Manager to partner with me on strategic product roadmap definitions, and green field new applications. If you cant convince people around you this is important, then the company cant figure out how to differentiate you from someone doing useless long term work. Pros. I have a family. Doesnt seem that far off. but honestly you should always be worried about that, even if the whole company doesn't go under they will jettison people to save the company without a second thought. That is a very interesting take, I haven't thought about things from that perspective. I already deleted my account. Current TC $290 - PM 65 - YOE 15. In an environment where it really wasnt absolutely necessary. I dont even remember how many times I have had heated discussions with my friends on why he is right, why I like his style, why I think he will change the world. Senior Product Manager, Growth Remote. Separation of concerns also applies to organizations. You know it's sinking ship when your own employees say that. I imagine most of us are in way better financial positions than we were back in 2008 and getting laid off just sounds like an unplanned vacation. What an exclusive club! Thank you very much, for such a POV. the problem is a bit subtle if you think about it, in order to get paid more (& I mean significantly more) you'd have to be much better than others or hit some kind of a niche. Was part of the layoffs at Stripe this morning. I am more than happy to donate some of my vacation hours (30 days saved up for childbirth) to you. Large parts of media/entertainment have gone this way, too. Person 1. Microsoft, Go to company page Meta. Let us live in peace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Span_of_control. In my experience, working in startups for a couple of decades, this is nothing like normal. Fucking rockstars that rockets to L7 in 5 years exist while majority of people are stuck on 5. Now consider this for an indian H1B, who can pretty much make an entire family live like kings off of that. You CAN do anything* you want! I think it's not so much company size as it is operating in a hot industry during a boom time. It was burned, IIRC, into a golden USB drive, a platinum LaserDisc, and that special paper librarians like, stored forever in a super-sekret vault deep in the Arctic, next to the seeds, I assume. NVIDIA, Go to company page It is very important in living a sustainable life in America (and elsewhere). The information provided is from their perspective. No pip culture. The ladders contain massive amount of criteria, most of which is not de-facto crucial, is weighed against other goals, and most importantly is vague enough to be open to interpretation. I've seen directors and VPs take on new projects, get praised, hold talks, get promoted and then the project is abandoned a year later. Sounds like China's social credit system. I think your boogeyman radar is off. Oh 40x RENT rule is a standard maximum you will be allowed to pay to be accepted; 200k income = 5k/mo rent. Hate to burst the ego bubble, but hitting metrics is what you were hired to do. But nobody was switching away when they started the transition. For infrastructure engineers, this is a recipe for disaster which is fantastic because it always explodes in your face which attracts long term thinkers who work well with stake holders to build a long term strategy. Now that is fine but our ability to enjoy life or even enjoy work goes down significantly with age almost akin to a 1/x curve. Heck, any large company where there is a division of labor will begin running into the problem of relating individual performance to overall customer impact, and if you begin measuring everyone by that singular metric, you will lose all of your good engineers very quickly (they will switch companies or move to non-engineering roles that have direct customer impact). Learn about Amazon , including insurance benefits, retirement benefits, and vacation policy. As if Twitter employees havent gone through enough. Helpful. Or what's The mission du jour? I'm not sure what the path to fixing this is, or if it even needs to be fixed, but I do think that Steve Jobs created a cult of innovation and a beacon to aspire towards creativity-wise, even if he wasn't the most pleasant person to interact with. L6 SDM $376K. Recommends. Brace yourselves, and believe in yourselves. I'm saying that immediately fleeing every time you are asked to stretch because it isn't in your current job role is going to limit your career growth rather than enable it. There is no natural post-innovation phase, you either have to compete for business, or you don't. Salary Calculator. Experienced in building 0 to 1 products, seeding strategy shifts/ product pivots, and growing/ scaling early-stage products. I actually went from 50k in a median city to 200k in an expensive megalopolis so I know exactly whether it's life changing or not. Apply for unemployment benefits ASAP. Sedimentary layers of settings on layers of settings, unintuitive gestures that require perfect precision, and unstable behavior. Definitely not a quick life hack. I know many people who have taken that route and it's one of many paths. The one thing you probably can't 100% count on having the ability to do when you get old is work, which is why it's so important to "make hay while the sun shines" as they say--max that salary while you can. Ageism is a thing in tech and in corporations in general. Whos next. RELATED COMPANIES. Im not a Twitter employee nor have I ever been but seeing their #oneteam and #lovewhereyouworked tweets on this night before the impending doom tomorrow is inspirational, sad, touching and frankly it feels like an end of an era. Why can't anyone figure out how to make that work? Even once all your needs are met, it still makes sense to further optimize TC because you save it and that translates into earlier retirement. If you don't like Google's search monopoly, don't work at Google. > General practitioners are in the above dataset. The way to make it work which is fairly common is for the BigCo to fund a new startup which is a completely separate corporation and let it go its own way. Technical Contributions? That's why I said they are hidden figures and have lower visibility. While still significant for me, it wasn't a deal breaker. A lot of people see the impactful work that happens at these big companies and assume that's the impact they'll make as well. Any input would be welcome thanks all! Layoffs are starting to ramp up. No need to lead :-), https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3477132.3483572. There's a realistic possibility I might be too disabled to work next year or the following year. @Apple, that depends on the state I believe. 2. #layoffs, https://stripe.com/newsroom/news/ceo-patrick-collisons-email-to-stripe-employees, https://stripe.com/en-in/newsroom/news/ceo-patrick-collisons-email-to-stripe-employees Divisions impacted: Eng, Product, Marketing and Sales, HR My opinion: Heard anyway the company culture and wlb was a sh**show. After careful deliberation, the team decided to pursue other candidates at this time. That list should look very different for each role. The bar is the CEO that managed finances and sailed the ship through troublesome waters. I considering a job change because 1) new place is paying way more even in current market 2) no point in stalling your career for a couple years coz a possibility of huge layoffs 3) I work in a niche domain so its easy to find another job 4) you can still be laid off from your current job, new job isnt multiples in risk. Spot on! I'm not complaining as I'm in a privileged situation. Blind is mostly Indian and some Chinese. so you are really trading your best years for some money that you may enjoy in later years, because trust me unless you hit some startup jackpot you arn't early retiring under 40. msg command windows 11 not recognized; fictional characters who suffered the most; delphi ds150e clone; husband refuses to acknowledge my feelings There are many kinds of communism, but someone asking others "please consider spending your privately-held money on slightly different private property and services" doesn't meet any definitions that I know of. This is nihilistic and short sighted way to see the world. Add a Salary. Well, it's not like people join Meta to "make the world a better place" lol. if your team does something valuable or interesting, write about it. *Very high impact. We trusted him over the years, defended him in various forums, cheered him on and here we are! steam deck future updates emerging fund manager program 1 yr. ago best 400cc motorcycle philippines 2021 caravans with 3 fixed bunks ou ticket office phone number 1 yr. ago That way you can block time out for it and digest things. If your manager's manager has more than six (maybe up to 8) direct reports, that's a bad sign. Absolutely incredible insurance and crazy cheap prices., Hardly any discount for employees on its own Amazon shopping site :-(, I hate that it builds up one hour per week instead of being given in bulk to use as needed, It is very good for anybody is looking for benefits, PPO and HMO offered plus vacation and paid time off, How difficult it is to get promoted to L6 from L5 as a TPM at amazon. A "startup within a corporation" can never work because it's not legally a startup. Salaries, reviews, and more - all posted by employees working at Meta. What is the dirt on Meta? > "TC" gives me and my family options to do other big things in the world. I'm leaving to pursue personal ventures after the new year and frankly am never coming back to Amazon. RELATED COMPANIES. Everyday I wake up and see her and I known I need to be there for her. In investment banking (my roommate works there) people call it 'face time'. Cutting 50% of the company might seem extreme, but if he cuts all the non-technical people (HR, recruiting, marketing, training, DEI, design, data science) and the low performing engineers, isn't that the ideal state for any tech company? If you have a moment, what is TC here? I am sorry to hear about the layoffs just before the holidays specially for folks o, Hi everyone, as a black person on this app the comments I see from ppl who literally work at the companys Im interviewing with makes me so disheartened. Low $112,814. Total comp and work life balance are all I care about for my job. Business is business. > I thought we were past the employer loyalty era and more accepting of the harsh reality that everything is profit-driven these days. You CAN lay someone off while on leave, and I've seen it done. Peers won't complain openly to avoid bad vibes (why should they care), so even if there was time for scrutiny (there isn't), there's virtually no paper trail. Sometimes I feel like people here mistakenly or purposefully obfuscate TC info for one reason or another (uninformed, cant/doesnt want to get into FAANG, etc..) but even with the current market downturn, Im safely at around the ~500k mark as a senior engineer at a FAANG (levels.fyi is your friend). The biggest companies in the world are trading like shitcoins. L6 manager - Senior Program Manager 27,90,104 per year - 35,27,276 per year L7 and L8 - Senior Product Manager Ranges. I don't give a shit about innovating some new UI library or whatever else people think is cool in tech. Nutanix, Go to company page On Fishbowl, you can share insights and advice anonymously with Amazon employees and get real answers from people on the inside. As soon as they layoff people, it will be an even bigger Domino effect.

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